Fred Franztone

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  This probably sounds uppity. I'm saying it anyhow

  by stillin in

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  2. friends

  has anybody else noticed a pattern that is here among us outcasts?

  there seems to be, on average, a higher level of intelligence here than there is at the kingdom hall.

  actually, intelligent conversation seems to be looked down upon among the witnesses.. also, the simple language skills found here seem to be above average compared to those among the witnesses.

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  Fred Franztone

  There are quite a few Christians here, so I'm not sure if I agree
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  Did You Ever Find The Theolgy of JWs Reasonable?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  when i was a young man growing up in the religion, i would try to defend whatever the understanding of a doctrine was.

  i won a lot of arguments based on the idea that i knew better than anyone i was talking to and defended myself admirably.

  (lol)....eventually, i realized i was in a cult but for many years i was a believer and i had faith that the gb knew more that i could understand..

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  Fred Franztone

  They have so much bullshit that you ever look too critically at anything, they can simply direct your gaze elsewhere, it's a quintessential cult manoeuvre
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  Why did you leave?

  by Fred Franztone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all have many reasons for leaving, most are doctrinal, some are emotional.

  it's a religion which obsesses over factual proofs (counterfactual though they are) of its veracity rather than faith, so it's inevitable that most who leave will do so for intellectual reasons.

  which doctrine above all others forced you to reconsider your position?

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  Fred Franztone

  I'm not sure that this is completely accurate. They do a great job at making people believe that that's the case, but no, that's not what they are there for. Their main purpose is to exercise power over other people, not even money. Their teachings and all that study that they have to people doing is just the means, not the end.

  It's still an accurate description of how they work the rank and file members, regardless of their motives
  
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  Why did you leave?

  by Fred Franztone in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we all have many reasons for leaving, most are doctrinal, some are emotional.

  it's a religion which obsesses over factual proofs (counterfactual though they are) of its veracity rather than faith, so it's inevitable that most who leave will do so for intellectual reasons.

  which doctrine above all others forced you to reconsider your position?

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  Fred Franztone

  We all have many reasons for leaving, most are doctrinal, some are emotional. It's a religion which obsesses over factual proofs (counterfactual though they are) of its veracity rather than faith, so it's inevitable that most who leave will do so for intellectual reasons

  So what was it for you? Which doctrine above all others forced you to reconsider your position? For me it was a combination of studying evolution & geology, the lack of evidence for the flood and 607BCE, but primarily evolution
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  Did You Ever Find The Theolgy of JWs Reasonable?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i was a young man growing up in the religion, i would try to defend whatever the understanding of a doctrine was.

  i won a lot of arguments based on the idea that i knew better than anyone i was talking to and defended myself admirably.

  (lol)....eventually, i realized i was in a cult but for many years i was a believer and i had faith that the gb knew more that i could understand..

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  Fred Franztone

  I began finding holes in it as soon as I was old enough to read. One of the first irreconcilable things I noticed was that the great pyramid of Giza is older than the flood. This was when I was studying ancient Egypt at school as a 7 year old
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  Oh Boy! Beards are "stumbling blocks" again ... from Stephen Lett

  by freddo in

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  2. friends

  so this week's midweek meeting video about stumbling others has lett spouting and gurning rubbish again.. if you can't take the whole 9 minutes go from 5:50 to get the context and 6:45 for the "beard" mention.. https://youtu.be/ezv1ici5cwo.

  oh, well - at least they shoot themselves in the foot with this doublespeak.

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  Fred Franztone

  Isn't beard a term for when a gay man has a girlfriend to cover up his homosexuality? Perhaps this is what they are referring to, as it's a common practice among JWs
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  conversation with a JW about the sun

  by neat blue dog in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  jw: didn't we just hear somebody say that the sun's gonna blow up?.

  me: well, they were saying that it will expand and eventually burn out.. jw: but it can't do that, it just keeps blowing up inside and getting more power.. me: well, they were talking about stars in general, how they have a life span.. jw: but god didn't make it that way, it's firmly established to time indefinite.

  it's not like the sun is a regular star.

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  Fred Franztone

  JWs are the 8 or so million earthlings who can't accept mortality, essentially
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  Have you ever "partaken" at the memorial

  by NikL in

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  2. friends

  it's that time of year again.. trying to decide if i should or shouldn't.

  :-).

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  Fred Franztone

  I tried to eat the bread once when I was about 6 or 7, many many years ago. I was told off and made to feel stupid for following my biological imperative, obviously
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  Do Jehovah's Witnesses Accept Evolution?

  by jukief in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  by evolution or by creation?

  by evolution or by creation?

  "the bible is a myth" and "evolution is true".

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  Fred Franztone

  What a blatant misrepresentation of the truth. The quotes are accurate but incomplete and completely out of context, not what the writers were trying to convey. However, it is convincing to those too lazy or disinterested to check the source material.

  How can a person be this dense? Some people here are so messed up by this religion that they have literally no sense of humour
  
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  Reflecting On The JW Version Of You

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  lately i've been thinking over how far i've come over the last 2.5 years since leaving the cult.

  when i first left i remember not knowing who i really was and what my beliefs and values were.

  previously my values and beliefs were dictated to me the the governing body in watchtower magazines.. i'm politically active, being a member of a political party and i'm even considering running in my local election in a few years.. when it comes to religion, im an atheist who has little time for superstition and "god did it" answers to complex questions.

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  Fred Franztone

  I'm pleased to say that there never was a JW version of myself. I was born-in and left when I was young, having never really believed or behaved as a JW